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| 10501 | Cedega (WineX) | games | -1 | Nice description | Why doesn't the same description apply to all the Genesis, SNES, Playstation, Mame, Scumm, C64, DOS, and Mac emulators?<br><br> If you want to troll, do it in the comments section, not in the description.<br><br> Should have been something like: "Proprietary fork of Wine Win32 emulation layer with enhanced DirectX comaptability and copy-protection support."<br><br> Should I submit a description of PySol like this? "Shoddy solitaire clone written in slow interpreted Python. Save $10 that should have been spend on the Linux native version of EUS....you cheap commie FSF bastard."<br><br> You get what I'm saying... Opinions should be in the comments. I don't care for Transgaming one bit, but that doesn't really change the fact that many people are using their software and would consider a new version to be "newsworthy". | 2003-04-18 15:00:13 | 0 |
| 10502 | Cedega (WineX) | games | -1 | Re: Help prevent native ports! | I just thought I'd insert here that, judging from the bnetd thing, blizzard seems to be run by lawyers that don't like open source and do like the DMCA. So *I* don't buy their products. | 2003-04-18 15:25:59 | 10491 |
| 10505 | Cedega (WineX) | games | 3722 | Re: Slow? My ASS! | I'm not judging NWN and I haven't been judging it for the last year while I waited for the port. The first beta was released and I went out and bought the game, heres hoping it aint another year before it works properly. | 2003-04-18 15:39:52 | 10281 |
| 10506 | Cedega (WineX) | games | -1 | Re: Help prevent native ports! | Exactly...that's why I shit on my Starcraft CDROM. Realy, I didn't, to subjugate their EULA, I secretly enter into the persona of PopEye The Sailin' Man and play. That way, if PopEye The Sailin' Man does somthing Blizzard doesn't like, the leeches^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hlawyers run to Technicolor or whoever the hell gave birth to Popeye The Sailin' Man. But whenever that happens, they just run off with Olive Oyle, but then I eat the spinach money the lawyers give me and I shove that EULA up their noses and make them sneaze.<p> Uck-uck-uck...uck-uck-uck | 2003-04-18 15:52:37 | 10502 |
| 10507 | Cedega (WineX) | games | -1 | Game companies | To those people who say stuff like WineX stops linux ports I say. <BR> 1) Do you honestly think game companies test their game with WineX before release, after release, or any other damn time?<BR> 2) If a native port was planned then it will be done regardless of a games functionality with WineX. (NWN is a good example)<BR> <BR> Game companies dont release linux ports because we continue to fawn and grovel to them for the few pitiful ports we do get, instead of saying "this is BS" and demanding a linux port and not buying the game unless we get it. <BR> Transgaming are in my opinion filling in a HUGE hole by allowing people who are "real" linux users ie: we dont boot into windows ever. To play some of the games, 99.99% would never ever ever get a linux port under any circumstances. <BR><BR> Native ports are great and I will continue to support them, but quite frankly the linux community is just way to disorganised and willing to suck up to the game companies by buying games that dont have linux ports to ever get them to port more games. In the meanwhile I will only buy games that I can play natively or under WineX (that way I at least support coders who put back into the community - most of what goes into WineX goes into WINE as well, excepting the copy protection stuff) and we all benefit from being able to run windows progs that are either not replicated in linux or are just not as functional.<BR> <BR> WineX doesnt prevent Linux ports - it simply acknowleges that game companies dont give a rats ass about linux users and tries to do something about that.<BR> <BR> I would point out one last thing WINE has been around almost since the start of stable Linux kernels definately pre 1.x, and for the most part games have not functioned at all under it, during that time the linux community has exploded and yet we are still not getting native ports, if WineX prevents native ports - where are they all? Game companies have had close to a decade without WineX and yet there are what maybe 1-2 native ports released a year?<BR> <BR><BR> Just my 2c worth. | 2003-04-18 15:53:09 | 0 |
| 10508 | Cedega (WineX) | games | -1 | Re: Nope...won't do it... | The reason RMS started the Free Software movement was in response to seeing the badness that comes out of keeping secrets and limiting others' freedom. I can't see the harm in game companies continuing to make closed source games, but the WineX people taking all the hard work of the WINE people, adding improvements in areas where it very much needs it and then keeping them secret is a bit unfair. IIRC they haven't contributed a large amount of their improvements back to the main WineHQ tree. | 2003-04-18 17:02:41 | 10483 |
| 10509 | PlaneShift | games | -1 | Re: Planeshift License | You made no engine. You use Crystal Space. You contribute to CS. Dont take all the cred. (Some of your contrib is quite helpfull however). | 2003-04-18 17:36:08 | 10399 |
| 10514 | Cedega (WineX) | games | -1 | Grrrrrrrr... | <I>I can't see the harm in game companies continuing to make closed source games, but the WineX people taking all the hard work of the WINE people, adding improvements in areas where it very much needs it and then keeping them secret is a bit unfair.</I> <P>Now, you're making me angry; one part of me thinks you can't be serious, yet your comments are just thoughtful enough to lead me to think you aren't just trolling. <P>I'll be blunt... <P>When you say secret, do you mean like this? http://www.transgaming.com/sources.php <P>Unfair? Like this? http://rewind.sourceforge.net <P>To single out Transgaming for not being 100% kosher is just sour grapes. Could they do better? Yep. No doubt. Codeweaver's model would probably work for Transgaming as well. I said so when the X11/LGPL tree split occured. Transgaming decided not to follow the new license. (Free will and all...you have it, they do too...and so do I, so I choose to pay for both Crossover and WineX...you do not have to.) <P>Did Transgaming change the game rules and somehow cheat? Nope. Wine was reciently under an X11 (BSD-style) licence. A BSD-style licence allows for code to be split into closed and open branches and to keep specific changes private. <P>Did most of the other Wine developers decide to willingly relicence under a LGPL licence? Yep, and a BSD licence allows this type of relicencing -- even without the developer's agreement. It is not a retroactive relicencing, though; Wine (before the branch) did not become LGPLed. <P>I agree with the motivations of the developers who choose to switch to the LGPL, and the way the switch was handled was spot on. Transgaming could have found a nitche under the LGPL, yet...they chose not to, possibly for technical reasons (Safedisc integration comes to mind), maybe for other reasons...I don't know. <P>The differences between how the Wine and WineX branches are managed and presented is subtile, even when not directly compared to closed propriatory software. When doing that comparison, though, the differences become stark. Do you think that the entire source for VMware or Win4Lin is going to be released under anything close to a BSD, X11, or LGPL or GPL licence? What about other even less open projects or companies? <P>Try this: Explain the differences between the LGPL, GPL, BSD, and X11 licences to those who don't know what those licences are at all. Then, explain how any one of them compares to the EULA attached to propriatory software where no source is available. Can you make a case for choosing one the first four above the other three that will make sense to this audience? How about comparing any of them to any well known closed source licence -- is there a huge difference? <P>Why should WineX get such venom when they are 98% of the way there, and the other companies with closed products don't release full API docs, let alone all the source? <P>Wine and WineX fill existing needs. Protesting to have them banned as a matter of course is not going to happen. Continuing the protests in this way is polorising, not instructive. | 2003-04-18 19:22:28 | 10508 |
| 10515 | Cedega (WineX) | games | -1 | Clarification (was: Grrrrrrrr...) | When I mentioned this... <P><I>Try this: Explain the differences between the LGPL, GPL, BSD, and X11 licences to those who don't know what those licences are at all. Then, explain how any one of them compares to the EULA attached to propriatory software where no source is available. Can you make a case for choosing one the first four above the other three that will make sense to this audience? How about comparing any of them to any well known closed source licence -- is there a huge difference?</I> <P>...I ment this; <P>Try this: Explain the differences between the LGPL, GPL, BSD, and X11 licences to those who don't know what those licences are at all. Then, explain how any one of them compares to the EULA attached to propriatory software where no source is available. <B>Can you make a case for choosing one the first four <I>instead of one of the other three</I> that will make sense to this audience? <I>Yes, there are reasons for choosing one over the other, though each of these licences are ideal for different situations. Not one of these licences is ideal for all situations.</I> | 2003-04-18 19:37:01 | 10514 |
| 10517 | Cedega (WineX) | games | -1 | Re: Nice description | Agreed. The project description should be more neutral. <P>Also, on the example of EUS and PySol, I have both. There is no comparison between the two: PySol slaps EUS around and makes it screem like a little girl. | 2003-04-18 19:49:39 | 10501 |